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Why are so many people afraid to own Cycads? It is a great
« on: December 28, 2006, 02:40:55 AM »
I see my cycad collection as an investment for when I retire.. I have started in 2004 and have spent just under R7000 on cycads. The value now at the lowest market prices are at about R25000, "that is only in 2 years" As cycads mature many of them will produce suckers which can be removed and sold as new plants.  I will never remove Cycad's from their natural habitat or buy them illegally and have a big problem with people who do this

Because of so many reports in the media of the illegal trade in Cycads many people are afraid of buying/collecting cycads because of the permit issue (I was one of them.)
The first thing many people ask me when I talk about my cycads are ?do you have permits for them?  Or they would say ?isn?t it illegal to have them.?
But it is really easy to obtain permits for your cycads. It cost only R50 for a permit for all your cycad's and has to be renewed only every 7 years. as long as you buy from authorized dealers (You need a permit to deal in cycads and that is also easy to obtain and cost only R50 I believe). You only need a permit for your cycad if it is South African specie and it is over 15cm except for 2 species "Cupidus and Humilus" which are very endangered and for them you need a permit even if they are seedlings. (A seedling is under 15cm).
Whenever you buy cycad?s ensure that the dealer give you documentation that indicates
His/her details and his /her dealer permit number, your details .What specie and quantity you bought and the size of the plant, And if the plant is already a plant with a permit the permit number, This documentation will serve as your transport permit and will be needed when you apply for your owners permit. (I am not sure of the other provinces but this how it works in Gauteng)
Many of you probably know all of this, but I just give the info so that other forum members and gardeners can get addicted. 
There is a big legal market for cycads.
Cycads are normally priced by the centimeter .Prices ranges from R35 to R1200 /per cm
Depends on the specie.

Did you know that there are 40 South African Species some with more than one characteristics (depends what part of the country they came from), and over 300 Exotic and Tropical African Species .

See the world list of Cycad?s
http://plantnet.rbgsyd.nsw.gov.au/PlantNet/cycad/wlist.html

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« Reply #1 on: December 30, 2006, 12:03:35 PM »
You are so right!! The  biggest problem is theft of plants. I have had a number stolen from my garden.
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« Reply #2 on: January 14, 2007, 00:47:58 AM »
I wouldn't say I'm afraid to own Cycads, but they sure are EXPENSIVE...at least here in Southern California.  Aloes are dirt cheap here.  Actually a big part of my aloes I got for free, from friends and acquaintances.  But Cycads are another story entirely.  I just started buying some seedling Cycads last summer.  Before that, the only ones I had were a large Cycas revoluta and medium size Zamia furfuracea.  A couple of months ago I bought an Encephalartos horridus seedling for $87.  Which to me is a lot of money.  I see mature plants going for hundreds of dollars.  If you are talking about E. dolomiticus or E. middleburgensis or other rare ones like these, the price for seedlings (if you can find them) go through the roof.

So anyway, to make a long story short I've just recently planted out about a half-dozen seedlings of various kinds of Cycads.  We'll see how it goes.
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« Reply #3 on: January 14, 2007, 14:46:28 PM »
Ron,
Friends of mine are also in Ca. I send Clivia seeds there from time to time. When I do again, I will try to obtain and send you some Cycad seeds?
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« Reply #4 on: January 14, 2007, 19:04:24 PM »
That's very generous of you Dries.

Thank you very much.


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« Reply #5 on: January 14, 2007, 20:07:59 PM »
Ron,
Please send me your physical address to dries@sawa.co.za
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« Reply #6 on: January 16, 2007, 15:40:47 PM »
Piet

How do I go about applying for a licence? We bought a property (smallholding) a few years ago and the previous owners emigrated to the USA. I found some of what seems to be E. manikensis in the garden and also have a few (+- 5) Revoluta and 1 Zamia that I purchased from various nurseries = most still small./

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« Reply #7 on: January 16, 2007, 21:04:54 PM »
Jeanette,
Cycas and Zamia are not indigenous so do not need permits. I am not sure if Manikensis is indigenous? Anyway, the easiest is to get an expert's opinion so lets both learn from from Piet and others.
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« Reply #8 on: January 17, 2007, 12:06:26 PM »
Jeanette

As Dries said, you do not need permits for Zamia or Revoluta. That also goes for all African species not including South African species. Manikensis is from Zimbabwe and therefore does not need any permits. Not for possession or for import or export in between provinces.

I would get an expert out to my garden in order to make sure that the right identification has been made on the Manikensis. If not, you can apply for a permit of possession. Nature Conservation would come out and inspect the plant. Once satisfied that the plant has not been removed from nature a permit would be given to the new holder of the plant.

Please contact me if there is any other questions.

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« Reply #9 on: January 17, 2007, 12:15:59 PM »
Willy,
Welcome to this forum!!! Also thanks for your valuable input.
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« Reply #10 on: January 18, 2007, 22:34:04 PM »
Hi Jeanette
It is like Willy said , for Manikensis ,cycas and Zamia's you woun't need Permits, If you had any of the indigenous South African Spesies it would depend in wich part of country you stay because there is a difference between the Cape Nature Conservation and Gauteng Nature Conservation permit application . Cycads under 15cm are classed as seedlings and don't require pertmits accept for two very endangered spesies the Encephalartos cupides and Encephalartos Humilis for them you must apply for permits even if they are seedlings. In Gauteng the cost is R50 for a permit to keep cycads (You can include all your Cycads where you need permits on one Permit ) The permit last for 7 Years then it has to be renewed.

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« Reply #11 on: June 12, 2009, 21:04:19 PM »
I thought I would resurrect this thread from a little over two years ago.  At that time I had just started collecting some seedlings of these plants.  This image I am posting of Encephalartos longifolius is one of the first seedlings I planted in the ground.  I think it was planted in Spring of 2007.  Anyway, here it is flushing with two leaves.  It flushed nicely with two leaves last year also.  In summer I water it about once a week. in Spring about twice a month.  I don't water it in winter.  I know these are strong feeders but I only feed mine once in the Spring.

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Re: Why are so many people afraid to own Cycads? It is a great
« Reply #12 on: June 13, 2009, 16:34:59 PM »
Looking good Ron!
Here's a thread with some photos that Ernst took of these beauties in habitat:
http://www.gardenerforum.co.za/index.php?topic=2342.0
We have rain right through the year in this area, falling exactly midway between summer and winter rainfall areas.

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« Reply #13 on: June 13, 2009, 18:23:53 PM »
I have 2 cycads that were in the garden when I bought the house but the previous owner says he lost the permits

What should I do?
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« Reply #14 on: June 14, 2009, 00:34:27 AM »
I have about ten Cycads growing indoors in winter, outdoors in summer, potbound. Cycas, Encephalartos, Dioon, Zamia and Macrozamia. They are growing very well and get larger every spring - the biggest of them are the size of my palms now (150cm).
Cycads attach a tropical look to every garden - even here in the North!
Will post a new picture tomorrow  :)