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Old unknown rose
« on: May 13, 2012, 18:56:32 PM »
I don't know what this rose's name is - it was here when we moved in - but she has the most glorious perfume and such a lovely shape
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Re: Old unknown rose
« Reply #1 on: May 13, 2012, 21:33:53 PM »
Hubby says maybe Cora Marie?
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Re: Old unknown rose
« Reply #2 on: May 14, 2012, 05:07:17 AM »
 :love: Beautiful Rena  :)

Reminds me of the 'Flammentanz' rose which is also a beautiful crimson.
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Re: Old unknown rose
« Reply #3 on: May 14, 2012, 20:35:34 PM »
What a beauty, Rena!!!  I love it!

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« Reply #4 on: May 17, 2012, 19:50:02 PM »
(See what the leaves look like - this one is VERY susceptible to mildew and black spot unfortunately.)

Thanks for the suggestions, Kareen and Abby - I've been looking at Crimson Glory - the fact that Ludwig's Roses describes  the "infinitely fragrant velvet-crimson blooms" and the statement  "however, the necks are not sufficiently firm to carry its shapely blooms upright and they droop even before they open" do describe her very well.  Also that it is very prone to disease....
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Re: Old unknown rose
« Reply #5 on: May 18, 2012, 12:23:59 PM »
Rena  :)

What type of rose is it a climber or bush  ???

What does the bud look like ???
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« Reply #6 on: May 18, 2012, 16:07:41 PM »
It's a bush, Abby.

And the bud looks just like this until it opens:
http://www.ludwigsroses.co.za/viewRose.php?id=8791&page=thumbs
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« Reply #7 on: May 19, 2012, 11:09:27 AM »
 :mmm: Rena the first picture shows a rose that appears to be a semi double and I cannot see the curl of the tips that
Crimson Glory  has ??? The petals are standing straight and erect or is it just this one bloom that is displaying these characteristic ???

It is an extremely beautiful rose with some very different feature that is not on most modern roses. I am green with envy over this one. I have pawed over hundreds of roses and somehow cannot nail it  :-\ Yes I also looked at Crimson Glory but because of the lack of the curl at the tip of the rose petal  cannot concur and my search must relentlessly go on as I would love to own one.  :-*
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Re: Old unknown rose
« Reply #8 on: May 19, 2012, 12:34:31 PM »
Abby - I don't know all the correct terms for things roses.......

I've just had another look at the bush but don't see any more buds - the first flowers of the season were badly scorched and thus not photographed, but the flowers have always been slightly "frilled" although this doesn't show when it's a bud - only when it opens does it get the curls.

(This rose was in a bed with double delight, peace, queen elizabeth etc - so I guess it would be from that period.)

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Re: Old unknown rose
« Reply #9 on: May 20, 2012, 13:51:14 PM »
Rena  :)

I've written to Malcom M. Manners, a Consulting Rosarian from American Rose Society http://www.ars.org/?page_id=2712 and this was his reply

"Hello,
Unfortunately, there are so very many similar red roses in cultivation, it's nearly impossible to say for sure which one this may be. It reminds me of the 1954 Grandiflora 'Roundelay',
But it could be any of a large number of other varieties as well.

Malcolm"

No wonder we are having an ID problem.

You may have a unique rose and have to grow me a seed. Then we will patent it and make a bundle  ;D




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Re: Old unknown rose
« Reply #10 on: May 24, 2012, 09:28:05 AM »
I'm still trying to ID, Abby ;D
Received this mail back yesterday:

"Hi Rena
Thank you for your enquiry
It is difficult to say with 100% certainty from a photo ? it is likely Crimson Glory or Charles Mallerin ?
Perhaps when you the opportunity, you can take a stem (with leaves) the bloom must not be too open to our branch just off the N1 highway ? Ludwig?s Roses Winelands 021 8844552 winelands@ludwigsroses.co.za
Seeing it ?in the flesh? will make it a lot easier to correctly identify it for you
Please do not hesitate to contact us should you require further information or assistance
Rose greetings
Talking Rose"

I must say that the following link's photo does look like it
http://www.gardensandplants.com/uk/plant.aspx?plant_id=2803

   
 


 

 
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Re: Old unknown rose
« Reply #11 on: May 26, 2012, 04:29:13 AM »

I don't know what this rose's name is - it was here when we moved in - but she has the most glorious perfume and such a lovely shape




 :mmm: Rena  ???  :o
I think I would need a few drinks  :o ;)  :D before I would concede to that one

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« Reply #12 on: May 26, 2012, 09:28:56 AM »
OK Ok, Abby - maybe that was just after the champagne lunch or something..............  I googled all the charles mallerins I could find and they don't all look the same - I'll see if I can find a "truer" photo of the bud.....but I must add that when you see her in bud it doesn't look as if the bloom will turn out looking like my mystery one.

Oi yoi yoi - Abby is keeping me on my toes LOL

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Re: Old unknown rose
« Reply #13 on: May 26, 2012, 10:15:34 AM »

  It reminds me a bit of a rose the school's gardener propagated for me from a cutting when they pruned the roses:

       

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Re: Old unknown rose
« Reply #14 on: June 09, 2012, 13:28:05 PM »
Nice rose Cecile  :)
You scored getting that cutting.  :good:

But the feature I am looking at in Rena's rose is how erect the petals are without any sign of curve at the tip of the petals that most other roses have.

I have also been in touch with Andy Van Cleve
A rosarian from
Web: www.floweringshrubfarm.com

"No Idea. The color looks like Zepherine Drouhin but the form is wrong.
You will have to give me some hints,

Andy "

So the search goes on  :dance:
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